Comments for Is milk good for us? at http://www.drbretthill.com , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.drbretthill.com Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:18:21 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-85 Geneticists smarter than me have done studies to determine how much our genes have changed over the years. In regards to the 'protecting our turf' you will find it is the environment (i.e. how much space we have) rather than the genes that has changed. In regards to the carbs what makes you think your not getting enough? Sounds like you are getting plenty to me. - Dr Brett Hill Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:10:55 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-84 i keep reading, and can mostly get on board, with the idea of not eating dairy, bread, rice or even beans. but i keep wondering, how does anybody even really know that our genes have not adjusted with the times over the past 10,000 years to be specific. Mentally, i've read that we've all become more aggressive, as programmed by our dna, as space ran out and we had to protect "our" plot of land. So maybe our genes concerning ability to digest and use aforementioned foods has changed as well. I dont eat bread or rice, milk or even beans anymore since starting to read about paleo diets about a month ago. The positive results were immediate and undeniable. Never been slimmer. But i eat fruits and veggies all day long and can never seem to get enough carbs. Every few days i have to eat a whole wheat bagel. Once i do i feel great. So anyway, what are your thoughts on keeping these foods in play in moderation- not as a treat, but as a necessity? - blake Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:37:16 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-78 Good to see we are getting some debate here. I have no doubt that unpasteurised dairy would be better than other dairy but that doesn't mean it is good for you. If you had read more closely and looked at the rest of the site you would have noticed that I am certainly no fan of soft drinks and yes they definitely have an effect on bone density! I must also be missing the link between dairy and vegetarianism that you are making. I am not a vegetarian and have written numerous articles on the benefits of healthy meats. Just because I believe in the enormous health benefits of fruits and vegetables does not make me a vegetarian. - Dr Brett Hill Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:59:04 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-75 I doubt the studies are even done correctly let alone relevant to the point. It is unarguably done using pasteurized dairy which is not only denatured but will in fact make the calcium far less bioavailable. In addition it is well-known that high phosphorus intake will lead to calcium leaching. In a study that compared female athletes who drank carbonated beverages -- a rich source of phosphorus -- with those who didn't, those who drank the soda had more bone fractures. Since soda is so popular the world over maybe the subjects in the study(s) consuming pasteurized dairy were also drinking lots of soda. In addition I find it a bit self-serving to discuss dairy as a problem for calcium and in defense of vegetarian sources without also mentioning that all dairy should be ingested raw, just like raw paleo meat guys. I think it's easy to find studies that support a biased opinion since you're only looking with blinder's on. Did you know that it has been proven that vitamin A from animal sources is far more bio-available than from vegetables, on the order of 100 to 1. I doubt calcium from dairy causes fractures if properly consumed and without all the other garbage that people eat which in fact leeches many nutrients. You can't on the one hand support paleo raw and/or cooked and a clean albeit extreme diet and ignore the fact that dairy should also be consumed in it's unadulterated state. Since the Swiss not too long ago consumed mostly raw dairy maybe research into the recent past will turn up significant bone fractures among their population. I’m kidding of course, otherwise this would have been published long ago. The point is there is a huge bias in these studies towards vegetarian eating and proving that animal consumption is evil. If you think dairy causes bone problems then what about meat eating paleo, those guys should be walking fractures, but they’re not. - guest Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:20:11 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-34 Hi Alvy, I always welcome an opportunity to reach more and more people through the media. That works out to around 9am Sunday morning for me so it will work well. Send me an email at brett@drbretthill.com so we can arrange a time and chat about what you want to interview me about. Dr Brett - Dr Brett Hill Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:17:10 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-33 Great article! Thanks! We conduct a health related weekly cable radio show "Conversations" on day seven ("Sat") between 6-8 PM and will welcome you as a guest. Let us know when you're avalable for an interview! - Alvy Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:18:36 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-30 Marjolein, The apparent correlation between high calcium intake and loss of bone structure is more to do with the sources of the calcium than the calcium itself. What it shows is that even if you have a high calcium intake, if you are getting it form dairy it may not help and may in fact hinder bone development. I have not seen a study done on people of eastern descent once they move to western culture but it would be a good one. Given what we know from these other studies and the latest research on epigenetics, lifestyle is likely a much larger factor than genes here. The US physicians study I have linked to in the article. The Harvard Nurses study was massive and has spawned hundreds of published articles. Here is the reference for the one I was referring to. Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. Am J Publ Health 1997;87:992-7. Great questions guys! - Dr Brett Hill Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:03:45 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-29 After reading your article, I am still left with a few questions. You mention there might be a correlation between a high calcium intake and the loss of bone structure. But at the end of your article you advice people to take in calcium from other resources. Wouldn't it be better not to take in less calcium overall? What do these studies suggest as a reasonable intake for good bone structure? Isn't it so that the differences between Asian, African and Caucasian bone structure are genomic? Is the rate of broken bones also higher if you compare "western" Africans and Asians with Africans and Asians living in their original region? And do you have the names of the articles you cited in this article for me to read over? Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your article, I'm just very curious about this - marjolein derks Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:42:02 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-28 Can you imagine a cat drinking/sucking the milk off a rat? The same is with us. It is totally unnatural and inhumane for us to take something from a cow, which is meant solely for its calf. It IS natures intention. Milk from a cow isn't for us, it literally infects us with disease and health problems. About eating salmon for calcium: with the amount of pollution, and the chances of buying salmon that was raised in a fish farm; the perceived benefits of salmon are greatly outweighed by the chances of buying salmon that has absorbed an abundance of pollutants and/or disease causing factors. - Shawn Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:55:05 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-23 You quote several studies on this page. Can you link to the studies so I can see and verify them? Doing so would give this article much more credibility. - survey jobs Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:15:46 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-22 fresh milk (i dont like using the term raw) is one of the most digestible fluids (next to bone broths) on the face of the earth. the live enzymes, bacteria, and lactase help you digest it. was weston price's observations of landlocked people a big lie? if you have a cow, you have it all - dave s Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:08:39 +0100 http://www.drbretthill.com/articles/eat/104-is-milk-good-for-us.html#comment-18 Another great reading.. - Eva Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:24:09 +0100